The Saints are coming

[takeo]

Takeo, premetto di nuovo che le zebre non erano in serata di grazia, e questo verso entrambe le squadre.
Però ci si sta attaccando a cose che non esistono.
Anzitutto è sbagliato parlare del SE Thomas avesse o meno il controllo, per il semplice motivo che quella è una regola che vale SOLO per i pass. Un RB che prende un handoff è libero di palleggiarsi la palla quanto vuole. Se un RB prende un handoff e corre 20 yds palleggiandosi la palla gli danno forse corsa nulla perchè non aveva il possesso? Tant'è che il booth rewiev è stato chiamato solo per controllare lo spot del pallone, NON il possesso o meno perchè sarebbe una regola che non esiste.
Inoltre, ammesso e non concesso che le cose siano come dici, nessuno si ricorda di dire anche che, quella azione non sarebbe esistita se gli arbitri avessero dato un chiarissimo primo down nell'azione precedente, ricezione di Henderson data corta per il primo down.
Qui sotto il fotogramma della sua ricezione, ditemi voi se è primo down o meno...

D'accordo sul primo down di henderson (anche se ci vorrebbe il fotogramma del secondo piede a terra, non di quando riceve), il discorso del possesso che facevo è molto semplice:
se il rb corre 20 yards "palleggiandosi" (nel senso di non avere il controllo) la palla in mano, poi torna indietro altri 20 yards palleggiando, la corsa non viene annullata ma il guadagno netto è 0 yards.
Facendo un esempio + "reale" se un running back prende l'handoff sulle sue 10 yards, corre 10 yards, perde palla e un suo compagno la recupera sulle proprie 10 yds (cioè 10 yds piu indietro del max avanzamento) lo spot è sulle 10 yds, non sulle 20 del massimo avanzamento

Comunque è solo per approfondire le regole, non dire se i saints hanno rubato qualcosa o meno.
Siamo in USA non in Italia. . .
 

[Bears54]

Nel fotogramma non è ancora primo down 

[moss84]

Nel fotogramma non è ancora primo down 

...e poi la linea gialla non fa fede, lo sa pure mia figlia...

[ponchia]

...e poi la linea gialla non fa fede, lo sa pure mia figlia...

Si vabbè, abbiamo rubato...
Però ti vedo bello carico, sei già in clima probowl?
 

[moss84]

Si vabbè, abbiamo rubato...
Però ti vedo bello carico, sei già in clima probowl?
 

...a dire il vero da lunedi' non mi dedico ad altro che non sia la Dinasty League di questo forum, ritornero' a parlare di football (tra di voi) all' incirca a settembre 2010...

[torrisone]

...ritornero' a parlare di football (tra di voi) all' incirca a settembre 2010...

...tanto per quella data Brettone non avrà ancora deciso cosa fare 

[il maria]

No, non hai capito: tu meriti di perdere perchè sei insopprtabile. Mi spiace per tutti gli altri tifosi di NO che ovviamente... Ma per te no, mi stai sul cazzo. 

zio ammettilo, in questo periodo stai sul cazzo anche a tua moglie

guarda che io ti capisco, sono stato pizzicato in un cinema a metà primo tempo mentre pensavo ai phins,
non oso pensare se dovessimo....andrei in giro con l'asciugamano arrotolato in tasca

[urlacher75]

...a dire il vero da lunedi' non mi dedico ad altro che non sia la Dinasty League di questo forum, ritornero' a parlare di football (tra di voi) all' incirca a settembre 2010...

[takeo]

Tanto x farle girare un altro po' allo zio:

NFL vice president of officiating Mike Pereira  admitted that Pete Morelli's crew blew it Sunday when they failed to call a roughing-the-passer penalty on the Saints for that high-low hit on Brett Favre  late in the third quarter. Defensive tackle Remi Ayodele  hit Favre high and linemate Bobby McCray  drilled Favre in the knees on the second-and-8 play at the New Orleans 34-yard line. Favre's pass was intercepted by linebacker Jon Vilma. He basically played the rest of the game on one leg.

"It's the kind of hit that we want called because clearly, we're trying to protect the [quarterback's] knees," Pereira said on his weekly "Official Review" segment on NFL Network's "Total Access" show. If Morelli's crew had called the penalty, the Vikings would have had a first down at the Saints' 19 and likely would have walked away with no worse than a field goal on the possession, which would have given them a 24-21 lead at the time. Eagles fans might remember Morelli and his crew from their horrendous work in the Birds' 13-9, mid-October loss to the Raiders in Oakland. They missed numerous penalties on both teams in that game, calling a total of just seven penalties.

[ponchia]

Tanto x farle girare un altro po' allo zio:

NFL vice president of officiating Mike Pereira  admitted that Pete Morelli's crew blew it Sunday when they failed to call a roughing-the-passer penalty on the Saints for that high-low hit on Brett Favre  late in the third quarter. Defensive tackle Remi Ayodele  hit Favre high and linemate Bobby McCray  drilled Favre in the knees on the second-and-8 play at the New Orleans 34-yard line. Favre's pass was intercepted by linebacker Jon Vilma. He basically played the rest of the game on one leg.

"It's the kind of hit that we want called because clearly, we're trying to protect the [quarterback's] knees," Pereira said on his weekly "Official Review" segment on NFL Network's "Total Access" show. If Morelli's crew had called the penalty, the Vikings would have had a first down at the Saints' 19 and likely would have walked away with no worse than a field goal on the possession, which would have given them a 24-21 lead at the time. Eagles fans might remember Morelli and his crew from their horrendous work in the Birds' 13-9, mid-October loss to the Raiders in Oakland. They missed numerous penalties on both teams in that game, calling a total of just seven penalties.

Stanno creando un clima davvero pesante intorno alla nostra difesa.
Possono dire quello che vogliono, ma quella è una azione regolarissima.
Se ne parla tanto solo perchè il QB era Favre, fosse stato un Campbell qualsiasi non se ne sarebbe accorto nessuno.
A Miami vedrai che prenderemo fin da subito una gragniuola di flag...
Che schifezza...

[joeflacco5]

The NFL fined Saints DE Bobby McCray a total of $20,000 for two incidents involving unnecessary roughness

ma anche notizie positive:
The Saints received good news on the injury front Friday, when CB Malcolm Jenkins (hamstring), FS Darren Sharper (knee) and LB Jonathan Vilma (knee) all returned to practice, albeit in limited fashion.

[groalbe]

Stanno creando un clima davvero pesante intorno alla nostra difesa.
Possono dire quello che vogliono, ma quella è una azione regolarissima.
Se ne parla tanto solo perchè il QB era Favre, fosse stato un Campbell qualsiasi non se ne sarebbe accorto nessuno.
A Miami vedrai che prenderemo fin da subito una gragniuola di flag...
Che schifezza...

 

[ponchia]

NEW ORLEANS -- Saints defensive tackle Anthony Hargrove keeps the reinstatement letter hanging from his locker, so when he dresses for practice each afternoon, the commissioner's signature hovers just above his right shoulder. "I see it," Hargrove said, "even when I'm not looking."

The letter reminds him of the drug tests he failed, sure, and the 13 months he spent in rehab, of course. It reminds him of the friends he made in AA, the confessionals he sent to every team in the league, and the cab rides he hitched to training camp once a GM finally gave him a call. But more than that, the letter is a symbol of his whole unfathomable odyssey, from an apartment building in Brooklyn that burned down when he was 5 all the way to the Super Bowl in Miami.

The moment he charged out of that burning building -- along with his mother, Rosa; older brother, Terrence; and younger sister, Tiffany -- he began a life on the run. He spent more than a year shuttling between various apartments and shelters with his family. Then Rosa became too sick to care for her children, so they were moved into foster care. "I remember being with a Puerto Rican family," Hargrove said, "and then a black family."

Rosa died of AIDS when Hargrove was 9, and shortly thereafter he was adopted by his aunt and uncle and moved to Port Charlotte, Fla. He found refuge on the football field at Port Charlotte High, where he became the biggest quarterback and cornerback many had ever seen. When he went to Georgia Tech, he converted to defensive end, but he failed out of school after two years. He returned to Port Charlotte and started working as a teaching aide and security guard, only to be coaxed back to Atlanta by an agent named Phil Williams, who convinced Hargrove that he could still make the NFL. Williams helped Hargrove wrangle a job at Hartsfield Airport, handling luggage for Delta Airlines, which at least enhanced his upper body strength.

Hargrove missed a year of football, was not invited to the NFL combine, and yet was drafted by the Rams in the third round in 2004. The move was baffling to anyone who had not witnessed Hargrove's individual workouts, in which he ran the 40-yard-dash in 4.5-4.6 seconds, stunning for a man weighing nearly 300 pounds. Hargrove was a starter by his second season, racking up 6.5 sacks, but he began drinking heavily and experimenting with drugs. He went AWOL two games into the 2006 season and later recalled sitting in somebody's basement in St. Louis doing cocaine. He looked in the mirror and saw lifeless eyes staring back at him.

"I think [the addiction] was with me all along," Hargrove said, "but as I got to the NFL and had more success it was easier to allow myself to do whatever I wanted. I was able to be my own man and do my thing and didn't care what anybody thought. It was a reckless attitude."

He was traded to Buffalo, where he was arrested in a confrontation at a nightclub, suspended four games for violating the NFL's drug policy, and then suspended for the entire 2008 season. "At first I thought it was just an excuse to party harder and do whatever I wanted," Hargrove said.

Williams would leave him messages -- "Tony, if we can get you healed you can still play" -- and Hargrove would not return them. In March 2008, it finally dawned on Hargrove that he was not allowed at mini-camp, and he headed back to Atlanta. "I needed more out of life," he said. "It couldn't be what it was."

Williams was scheduled to take his family to a Young Life retreat in Jasper, Ga., and he invited Hargrove to come along. When they returned, Hargrove checked himself into a medical rehabilitation facility in South Carolina for three months and then another drug rehab center in Miami for 10 months.

The NFL reinstated him last February, but no one wanted him. "Why would they?" Hargrove said. "I showed I was a negative influence. I couldn't keep it together." So Williams set up a tripod in his living room, aimed it at Hargrove, and started asking the tough questions. "We walked through his whole story," Williams said. "We went through all of his problems. I told him that he lied to me. He admitted that he hadn't even been honest with himself. Then he talked about what he had done to fix his problems."

When they were finished filming, they sent the DVD to every team. None called except the Saints.

They fashion themselves a collection of castoffs, with low-round draft choices like Marques Colston and Jahri Evans, undrafted free agents like Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell, New York exiles like Jonathan Vilma and Jeremy Shockey. When Hargrove showed up to training camp, he had no car, so he had to take a taxi every day to practice. He also took the taxi to his AA meetings on off-days and Friday nights. This Super Bowl features two coaches who are reluctant to discuss the most innocuous details of their game plan -- and a defensive tackle eager to share the most intimate details of his life. When Hargrove spoke to a high school football team in Atlanta recently, one player approached him and said: "My uncle lives in our basement. He's an alcoholic." The next day Hargrove was over at the boy's house, down in the basement.

Now that Hargrove has played an entire season for the Saints, starting six games and totaling five sacks, it is impossible for him to maintain anonymity, either in his meetings or anywhere else. Dominant storylines at next week's Super Bowl will include the legacy of Peyton Manning and the impact of Drew Brees, but the journey of Anthony Hargrove is more than a footnote. Six days after the game, he and Williams will leave on a mission trip to AIDS-riddled areas of Africa. There may be no better way to honor the mother who hustled him from that burning building 12 years ago.

"I just wish she was here," Hargrove said, "to see her baby."

Grandissimo Hargrove...

[ponchia]

Darren Sharper told me Sunday the Saints' mission against Favre was, "Cut off the head, and the body will die.'' In other words, beat the crap out of Favre and see how many plays he makes at the end of the game if you physically manhandle him. I can guarantee you that inside the Saints' facility this week, Williams will be telling his men, "See? It worked against Favre; he threw a terrible pass near the end of the fourth quarter because we beat him up all game. We can do the same thing to Manning if we abuse him.''

 

 

[ponchia]